Edited by John Podgorski BA Hons, MSC, CMILT.
Welcome to the November 2019 edition of Busmopolitan.
It was announced on 8/11/19, that the CrossRail project has been delayed further, and will not now be completed until 2021. This has resulted in a stay of execution for the Class 315 EMUs, although they will continue to be replaced by new Class 345s during this time. Some 315s are now moving over to London Overground.
ADL/Enviro 200 LJ56 VSX has passed to Ensign for scrap.
Sold is Volvo 9700 RY08 ERN.
ARRIVA KENT THAMESIDE (COLCHESTER).
Above: Received from Arriva Ware is ADL/Enviro 200 3986 (GN07 DLO). Pictured at Osborne Street on 30/11/19. (Daniel Pretty).
DAF DB250LF/EL 6259 (FD02 UKO) was parked up at the back of the depot in mid November. It returned to Arriva Kent and Sussex at the end of November.
9/11/19: VDL DB300LF/Wright Gemini 4459 (MX61 AXW) on 8. 17/11/19: Long Dart SLF/Pointer 3413 (SN54 HWY) on 8 (Sunday). 18/11/19: 4459 on 1. 21/11/19:
StreetLite 4262 (GN64 DXS) on 1. 26/11/19: Short SLF/Caetano 1562 (RX07 KPG) on 8. 29/11/19: 4459 on 1. 30/11/19: Short Dart SLF/Caetanos 1562, 1565 (HX04 HUK) on 1.
ARRIVA KENT THAMESIDE (HARLOW).
Now here is new liveried Volvo B7RLE/Wright Urban Eclipse 3889 (BG59 FWP). Similar, former Arriva Midlands 3863 (KE05 GOH) has also been noted; this was ex Arriva The Shires.
Above: DAF SB120/Wright Cadet 3512 (DK55 FXL), unusually on route 59 and seen in Chelmsford on 2/11/19. (Simon Austin).
ARRIVA KENT THAMESIDE (SOUTHEND).
Above: Volvo B7RLE/Wright 3816 is now in 1990s heritage livery. Pictured on 23/11/19. (Simon Austin).
Ex Arriva Midlands Mb Sprinter 1007 (BF67 WGA) is now here.
ARRIVA LONDON NORTH.
From 9/11/19, TfL34 (Walthamstow-Barnet) was gained from Metroline. Ex Stagecoach Selkent HVs were acquired for this. Arriva previously ran TfL34 in the ‘noughties’, using DLAs. TfL192 (Enfield-Tottenham Hale) was also taken over – from Go-Ahead London General North. Arriva had also run the 192 before, losing it to Go-Ahead in 2014.
Above: DAF DB250LF/ALX400 DLA361 in Barnet on the previous Arriva operation of TfL34, in May 2003. (John Podgorski).
New Routemaster LT351 didn’t stay long at Clapton (CT), and quickly relocated down the road to Ash Grove (AE).
Transferred to Edmonton (EC0 as trainers were DW136-41/43/-45; DWL71/73; PDL144/45.
Sold to Ensign were Volvo B7TL/ALX400s VLA141/42/43 (LJ05 GSU, LJ55 BTE/F).
AVON COACHES/GATWICK FLYER, ROMFORD.
Mercedes 516/EVW RX16 XGN has passed to a dealer.
BARING AND DAGENHAM COUNCIL.
Fiat Ducato AE16 (YX61 BHZ0 has been sold via CVA Auctions, Hemel Hempstead.
New ADL/Enviro 200s SE304-319 are registered YX69 NNH/J-M/O/P/R/T-W/Y/Z, NOF/H. 304/6-9 arrived in October; the rest in November.
ADL/Enviro 200s SE306/7 have returned from Luton Airport off loan, for use on TfL364.
20/11/19: DR75008/9 on Paddock Wood-Marks Tey.
DAN’S COACH TRAVEL, NEEDHAM MARKET.
Above: Volvo B10M/VH W283 JBN at Colchester on GA RRP to/from Marks Tey on 3/11/19. This was new to Shearings. (Simon Austin).
Above: 66091 at Marks Tey on 24/11/19. (John Podgorski).
The Class 59/2s have been transferred to Freightliner, with the Mendip Rail contract.
1/11/19: 66108 tnt 66122 on RHTT “up” through Marks Tey @ 2044.
5/11/19: 66117 on Wakefield-Felixstowe. 66135 on Bow-Heck. 66155 on Mountsorrell-Kennet. 66197 on Chesterton-Mountsorrel.
8/11/19: 59101 on Dagenham Dock-Acton stone. 66135 on 6O60 Peterborouugh Bow, then Bow-Heck.
12/11/19: 66126 tnt 66091 on 3S60 Stowmarket via Wickford and Shenfield RHTT.
13/11/19: 59101 on Dagenham Dock-Acton stone.
21/11/19: 66091/126 to Ilford depot.
22/11/19: 66080 at Griffin Wharf, Ipswich. 66091 at Ilford depot.
24/11/19: 66126 tnt 66091 on “up” RHTT through Marks Tey @ 2209.
25/11/19: 59002 on 6V28 Dagenham-Acton stone.
27/11/19: 59002 on 6V28 Dagenham-Acton. 66079 on 6O79 Marks Tey-Crawley. 66130 on 6V07 Ipswich Griffin Wharf-Neasden.
29/11/19: 59102 on 6V28 Dagenham-Acton. 66104 on 6L35 Mossend-Dagenham.
ADL/Enviro 200 SE152 (YX61 DTZ) has been internally transferred to here from within Go-Ahead London.
2/11/19: 37401 + DBS 66091 at Marks Tey on 3S99 STP from Stowmarket.
5/11/19: 57003 tnt 68017 on 3S60 Stowmarket RHTT via Wickford.
12/11/19: 37409 + 4 x MkIII carriages on Norwich-Ilford ECS.
13/11/19: 37405 on Norwich-Willesden light loco.
17/11/19: 37402 tnt 37425 on RHTT stabled at Marks Tey Yard, returned to Stowmarket in evening.
20/11/19: 57305 towed GWR 387140 on 5Q50 0948 Reading-Ilford ECS. 37305 then ran light to Leicester.
29/11/19: 37402/5 on 0M37 Norwich-Wembley light loco.
Withdrawn is ADL/Enviro 200 707 (SN11 FFL). It was replaced by ex Yourbus, Heanor ADL/Enviro 200 MMC 707 (YY18 THU).
Above: One of two Scania Tourings recently acquired. M60 FXO at Colchester on GA RRP to/from Marks Tey on 3/11/19. (Simon Austin).
FIRST EASTERN COUNTIES (IPSWICH).
Now in Ipswich Reds colours are Volvo B7RLE/Wrights 69007/8 (AU05 DMO/V).
From First Potteries are ADL/Enviro 300s 67638 (VX54 MGO), 67640, 67641 (VX54 MRU/V). All are at Colchester (CR).
Above: 67640 in Colchester on 30/11/19. (Daniel Pretty).
Above: 42488 at The University of Essex on 6/11/19. (Sonny Milton).
Dart SLF/Pointers 42483/88 (SN03 WLK, SN53 KJX) were on loan at Colchester. 42483 came from CF and 42488 reinstated from HH. 32483 was then transferred to First Eastern Counties at Great Yarmouth.
Above: 42487 at Southend Travel Centre of 23/11/19. (Simon Austin).
Volvo B7RLE/Wrights 69518/19 (BJ11 ECT/V) are on loan to CR from HH. 66813 was transferred from BN to CR, but was only there briefly before going to CF. 66829 is long term VOR at CF and has been cannibalised.
Volvo B7TL/ALX400 32482 (AU53 HJZ) and B7TL/Wright Gemini 32628 (KP54 KAU) were returned to Chelmsford ex loan to Colchester on 3/11/19. B7TL/ALX400 32475 (AU53 HJJ) is withdrawn.
ADL/Enviro 300 67903 (SN13 CHX) is now in Refreshed livery.
2/11/19: Trident 33080 (LN51 GNP) on 64A. 3/11/19: Route 62 B9TL 37139 (SN57 HCY) on 75. 4/11/19; B7TL/Gemini 37037 (YJ06 XLC) on 64. 6/11/19: Trident 33196 on 175. 7/11/19: Trident 33196 on 62; Route 62 B9TL 37139 on 65. 11/11/19: Route 62 B9TL 37136 (SN57 HCU) on 65; X30 ADL/E200 MMC YY66 PCO on 71. 13/11/19: B7TL/Gemini 37037 (YJ06 XLC) on 175; StreetLite 63333 (SK65 PXP) on 70; X30 ADL/E200 MMC 67169 on 71A.
15/11/19: StreetLite 63334 on 75. 18/11/19: Route 62 B9TL 37139 on 17 bus 2 + 65. 19/11/19: Route 62 B9TL 37139 on 75. 20/11/19: B7TL/ALX400 32954 on 62; Trident 37087 on 174; X30 67170 on 71A. 22/11/19: B7TL/ALX400 32478 on 62. 23/11/19: Route 62 B9TL 37139 on 1A. 25/11/19: Route 62 B9TL 37135 on 70; Route 62 B9TL 37136 on 17 + 65.26/11/19: B7TL/ALX400 32476 on 174.
Above: Veteran Volvo B7TL/Alexander ALX400 30894 on Chichester Road, Southend, on 23/11/19. The oldest bus in regular service with First Essex at the time of this picture. (Simon Austin).
FIRST STOP, BURY ST EDMUNDS.
Withdrawn is minibus KE04 JVD.
YL08 PZS is an acquired Mercedes Sprinter.
VDL Bova SO15 UBS has been re-registered Y2 FLG.
Irizar i6 YN15 YTP is now Y3 FLG.
Scania Omniexpress YT09 FLF is now Y4 FLG.
FLAVIN/CHARIOTS, STANFORD LE HOPE.
Dennis Javelin/Berkhof K12 KFC has passed to Davies, Abercynon.
FORDS OF ALTHORNE.
Ex Metroline ADL/Enviro 400 LK55 KKF is here – via Ensign.
5/11/19: 66518 on London Gateway-Leeds. 66622 on Ipswich-Lindsay tanks.
7/11/19: 66526 on Chelmsford-Acton stone. 86627/05 on 4L91 Trafford Park-FLX. 86639/14 on 4L89 Coatbridge-Felixstowe.
8/11/19: 66518 on 4E24 London Gateway-Leeds. 66526 on Chelmsford-Acton. 86639/14 on 4L91. 90045/16 on 4L89 Coatbridge-FLX.
12/11/19: 66593 on 6V12 Chelmsford-Acton stone.
13/11/19: 70010 on 4M94 FLX-Lawley Street. 70020 on London Gateway-Garston. 86607/32 on 4L91.
19/11/19: 86608/10/09/07 on intermodal arived at Ipswich, then detached and light engine to Claydon Loop.
20/11/19: 66604 on Tunstead-Marks Tey. 86627/39 on 4L91. 86637/05 on 4L92.
22/11/19: 66537 at Chelmsford @ 0824. 66621 at Bow Olympic @ 0857. Orange 66623 at Marks Tey Yard @ 0803 to later form aggregates service to Brentford.
25/11/19: 66554 on Willeden Brent-Ipswich VSTP. 86604/32/12/13 on 4L89 Crewe-FLX.
27/11/19: 66604 on 4M63 Bow-Tunstead. 66955 on 6V12 Chelmsford-Acton. 70008 on 4L38 Wentloog-FLX. 86638/10 on 4M87 FLX-Trafford Park.
29/11/19: 66423 on 4M07 Tilbury-Daventry. 66623 on 6V80 Marks Tey-Brentford.
5/11/19: 66710 on Felixstowe-Doncaster. 66755 on N Walsham-Harwich tanks. 66764 on Felixstowe-Birch Coppice. 66785 on 4Z81 Masboro-Felixstowe.
7/11/19: 66721 on 4M23 FLX-Hams Hall. 66771 on 6M03 Foxton-Ferme Park.
8/11/19: 66756 tnt 66719 on Broxbourne-Ilford via Dagenham RHTT.
9/11/19: 66721 on 4L04 Hams Hall-FLX. 66752 on 4L43 Doncaster-Parkeston.
11/11/19: 66783 ‘Biffa’ on 0Z61 Peterborough-Broxbourne, replacing 66787 on RHTT.
12/11/19; 47815 replaced 47848 at Ilford for Riviera Trains; 47815 came from Eastleigh; 47848 to Leicester.
13/11/19: 66721 and 66770 on FLX to Hams Hall intermodals. 66777 on 6O60 Bow-Tonbridge West. 66783 tnt 66703 on RHTT at Ilford depot.
15/11/19. 66779 on 6L37.
20/11/19: 66732 on 4M23.
23/11/19: 66707 replaced 66756 on one of the Broxbourne RHTT sets. 66707 now tnt with 66719.
25/11/19: 66715 led FL 66511 on Hoo Junct-Whitemoor.
28/11/19: 66760 on N Walsham-Harwich tanks. 66768 on 4M23. 66773 on 6L37.
30/11/19: 66732 tnt 66703 on 3S70 on Broxbourne via Southend Vic RHTT.
Above: T88 PGC is an ex Mc Gills, former Arriva London DAF DB250LF/Wright Pulsar Gemini. Pictured at Marks Tey on Greater Anglia RRP to/from Colchester on 17/11/19. (John Podgorski).
GOLDEN BOY, HODDESDON.
Sold is Mb 0818D/IM 493 (XO14 BOY).
Above: Stadtler Flirt 755412 at Thurston on 26/11/19. (Alex Hazell).
Above: 321354 at Colchester Town on 22/11/19. (John Podgorski).
First Class accommodation will be phased out on all services except Inter-City as the new trains enter service over the next 18 months.
New are 745007/010.
The Class 153s have been withdrawn.
170202/3/4/6/273 have gone to Transport for Wales.
1/11/19: 153306 on Marks Tey-Sudbury.
‘156s appeared on the Sudbury branch again from 5/11/19.
7/11/19: 745005 on 5Q95 Norwich Liverpool Street test.
11/11/19: 170202/4 transferred to Transport for Wales.
14/11/19: 170206 transferred to Transport for Wales. 317337 returned to Ilford from Kilmarnock behind 47747. 745007 delivered.
15/11/19: 90004 on Crewe-Norwich light loco via Willesden Brent.
18/11/19: 170201/8 transferred to Transport for Wales. 321358/337 on 0908 Norwich-Liverpool Street.
20/11/19: 755412 on 0857 Ipswich-Felixstowe.
21/11/19: 745010 delivered.
24/11/19: 156412 on Marks Tey-Sudbury after booked ‘153 failed.
25/11/19: 170203 transferred to Transport for Wales.
28/11/19: 317668/64 on 1Y34 Liverpool Street-Ipswich.
30/11/19: Class 153s withdrawn. 75533 at Parkeston for Colchester crew training.
Above: 153322 at Marks Tey on 3/11/19, on a Sudbury service. (John Podgorski).
Some renumbering of the London fleet is happening, to standardise on the four digit numerical system and phase out the alpha numeric class codes.
Dart SLF/Pointer 257 (EU57 FLM) appeared at Kelvedon (KN) on 1/11/19 and was returned to Clacton (CN) on 5/11/19. Dart SLF/MPD 286 (HW54 BTY) was unusually loaned by CN to KN from 6/11/19. Sible Hedingham (HD) ADL/Enviro 200 261 (EY57 FZE) was back at KN on 15/11/19 and stayed until 25/11/19. Withdrawn Dart SLF/MPD 290 (EX02 RYR) was towed from KN to CN on 6/11/19, for parts recovery. 289 (EJ02 KYY) was towed away from HD on 13/11/19 to CN for further parts recovery. Both then went to Alpha for scrap. The engine from 289 went into SLF/Pointer 257 (EU56 FLM). The engine from 290 went into SLF/Pointer 254 (EU 05 AUR).
Volvo B10M/Plaxton Premiere 8 (R453 FWT) passed to Alpha Recovery for scrap. It was collected from CN on 9/11/19. 8 was the last coach with Hedingham.
Above: 289 at Clacton on 20/11/19. (John Podgorski).
Volvo B7TL/Gemini 523 (LX05 EZF) returned to CN from KN on 25/11/19. HD allocated B7TL/President 569 (W484 WGH) appeared at KN from then.
1/11/19: 808 (YN55 PZL) – Chambers-KN. 7/11/19: 808 – KN-Chambers; 809 – Chambers-KN. 11/11/19: 815 – CN-KN. 15/11/19: 814 – KN-CN; 817 – CN-KN. 19/11/19: 813 – Chambers-KN. 22/11/19: 811 – Chambers-KN; 813 – KN-Chambers.
1/11/19: B7TL/President 579 (W526 WGH) on 82/83 – usually saloon. 2/11/19: B7TL/President 568 (W458 WGH) on 95 + D1/D2 – usually saloon. 4/11/19: B7TL/President 580 (W527 WGH) on 63 – CN duty. 6/11/19: Omnidekka 802 on 16 pm and 63 Duty 195 – KN bus on CN duty; Omnidekka 808 on TLA B pm. 9/11/19: B7TL/President 580 on X76. 11,12/11/19: Omnidekka 815 on 903 pm. 13/11/19: B7TL/President 563 (V307 LGC) on TLA B pm – usually only on PL4. 18/11/9: Long ADL/E200 261 (EY 57 FZE) on 15 pm; Volvo B7TL/Gemini 523 (LX05 EZF) on 903. w/c 18/11/19: Solo 911 (SF04 HKE) on 50, 69, 84B etc. 21/11/19: B7TL/President 584 (PJ02 REU) on 19 + 63.
Volvo B7TL/President 561 (V301 LGC), now in preservation has had its slack adjuster replaced and cured brake/gearbox problems. London spec destination equipment has also been sourced.
Volvo B7RLE/Wright AE12 FGM has passed to Ensign for resale.
GB15 KCL is an acquired Irizar i6 tri-axle.
Mercedes Tourismos T14 KCL, BV66 GVX have 10th anniversary branding.
LC TRANSPORT, WOODGORD GREEN.
Has moved to Edmonton.
LONDON GENERAL NORTH.
TfL192 (Tottenham Hale-Enfield) was lost to Arriva London North from 9/11/19. Arriva had run 192 in the past. 15 WS Class StreetLite WFs were made surplus by this loss. Some were retained for TfL357 (Chingford Hatch-Whipps Cross), TfL379 (Chingford-Yardley Lane), whilst others were redeployed in Go-Ahead.
New TfL contract gains will see Northumberland Park as a mostly electric bus depot from early 2020.
Above: 315817 at London Liverpool Street on 22/11/19, on the 1600 to Enfield Town. (John Podgorski).
315805 has been repaired.
3158-08 has been regular on the Romford-Upminster.
315822/27 are ex MTR.
315814/858 have gone for scrap.
18/11/19: 315814/858 to Sims, Newport for scrap behind 37301. 315822/27 on 5Q22 Northampton-Ilford ECS.
Above: Ex MTR 315827 at Liverpool Street on 30/11/19, on a Cheshunt service.
MTR ELIZABETH LINE.
Above: 315820 and 315853 at London Liverpool Street on 22/11/19. (John Podgorski).
The full CrossRail project completion has been delayed again; until 2021.
7/11/19: 315831/36 Ilford-Northampton for temporary storage.
8/11/19: 315825 on 5Q19 Ilford-Northampton ECS for temporary storage.
11/11/19: 315827/22 on 5Q20 Ilford-Northampton ECS.
12/11/19; 315833/59 on 5Q21 Ilford-Northampton ECS.
14/11/19: 345040 OC-IL as 5Q50 behind 37601.
17/11/19: 345040 in service on GE.
28/11/19: 345051 on 2W42 Liverpool Street-Shenfield.
From 11/11/19, there were adjustments to 350 (Stansted-Manchester-Liverpool).
From 23/11/19, certain journeys 777 (Stansted-Birmingham) served Cambridge and Northampton.
Woods of Leicester is the 350 contractor.
De Courcey of Coventry is the 777 contractor.
Now has ex Galloway Optare Solo MX59 AWF. It came, unused via Stephensons.
Witham outstation closed on 2/11/19; in practice buses/coaches had not been kept there since the end of September. Great Dunmow remains available for use if required. Colchester is now a sub depot with 6 vehicles. Parkeston is the main depot and Weeley the central workshop.
Volvo B12B/Plaxton Panther DB54 PAN has been re-registered back to YN54 WWT and sold to Hawkes Tours, Derby.
Above: In late November, a Stena Line foot passenger shuttle was again being operated at Harwich International Port. Dart SLF/MPD DC56 PAN was seen on 26/11/19. (Alex Hazell).
VH TX 153 WAR has received a revised livery. This is metallic light brown with white “wings” towards the rear. The traditional colours are brown/cream.
4/11/19: 37608 towed GWR 378139 Reading to Ilford ECS.
23/11/19: Gold Scania N230UD/E400 15958 (YN14 OXJ) on Citi 1.
STAGECOACH EAST LONDON.
ADL/Enviro 40D 12344 (SN64 OGT) is withdrawn due to fire damage. 12345 has been reinstated at Bow. ADL/Enviro 200 36333 (LX58 CDF) has been scrapped. E200s 36557 (LX13 CYZ, 36565 (LX13 CZH) are now in purple trainnig livery.
ADL/Enviro 40D 10198 (SL64 HYX0 has been transferred to Selkent.
Sold are: Trident/ALX400s 17364 (Y364 NHK), 17396 (LX51 FHO), 17810 (LX03 BXE), 17811 (LX03 BXF) – to Bromley Bus Preservation Group; 17395 (Y395 NHK) – to Lister, Bolton (dealer). 18270 (LX05 BWC) – donated to a charity in Basingstoke.
Dart SLF/Pointers 34353/55/57 (LV52 HKE/G/J) – to Bromley Bus Preservation Group. 34362 (LV52 HKO) – to GTG Training.
Ensign has resold Trident/ALX400s LX04 FWV to Shelton Motors, Ely – for scrap, while LX04 FWY has passed to the Leverton Primary School, Waltham Abbey.
Scania Omnicity ‘deckers LX58 CFL, LX09 ACJ, AFE are now with The Bus Business, Witney – also via Ensign.
ADL/E40D 19852 (LX12 CZF) – The Courture Club.
LT239 – Valentino; LT256 – Hugo Boss; LT258 – Pandora; LT271 – The Crown; LT313 – Stormzy; LT315 -Givenchy; LT369 – Libre from YSL; LT388 – Pandora.
LT371 – back to red.
23/11/19: Volvo B7RLE/Wright 21225 (AE09 GYV) on Busway A.
Acquired through Ensign is are ex Yourbus, Heanor ADL/Enviro 200s SN66 WLL/O – fleet numbers 469/70.
In early November, the Bury outstation allocation was: Dart SLF/Mini Pointer 406, ADL/Enviro 200s 431/33/34, 449, 467.
Short ADL/Enviro 200 423 (EU64 CVT) was badly damaged in a collision at Black Notley on 19/11/19. The driver and a passenger were injured; fortunately neither seriously. 423 was initially recovered to Boreham depot, and then moved to Rochford for storage.
Ex Yourbus, Heanor ADL/Enviro 200 YY67 USD was seen on route 9/A on 27/11/19, still in Yourbus maroon/white.
Above: With the new style fleet names. Ex Abellio London ADL/Enviro 200 448 at Braintree Bus Park on 2/11/19. (Simon Austin).
Optare Solo SR M960 YJ62 FZF is ex PK Travel, Bushmills, Northern Ireland.
Iveco 50C welfare bus LK08 EBM has passed Mc Govern, Butlersbridge, Eire.
TALISMAN, GREAT BROMLEY.
Scania K360/Irizar YT13 HLA is now with O Sullivan, Ballydehob, Eire.
TONY GLEW/A1 COACH CO, COLCHESTER.
AV12 ZJX is another Ford Transit 16 seater. It was ex London Borough of Merton.
Has ex RATP London United Optare Tempo YJ11 EHS.
ADL/Enviro 200/MCV Evolution HSK 176 orig LX07 BYK has gone to a preservationist.
TfL schools routes 692 and 699 were gained from Sullivan Buses from 23/11/19. The ex Metroline BYDs will appear on these, once ready.
Mercedes Citaro bendy bus MBA327 (MH06 YJF ex CN02 EDN) was destroyed by fire on 21/11/19, while on the University of Herts inter campus shuttle. Also withdrawn are sisters MBA325/26. They have been replaced my dual door rigid Citaros 301-305.
Sold Volvo B7TL/Plaxton President X607 EGK, was seen stored at a farm at Chappel, Essex in late November.
VICEROY, SAFFRON WALDEN.
Iveco Eurorider/Marcopolo PSU 353 ex PO56 PCV is now with Solus, Tamworth.
Volvo B12T/Berkhof K7 YCC has revered to R157 RJH. K7 YCC is now on Scania Omnidekka YN06 TGF.
With thanks to: Anglia Gen, S Austin, J Clayton, HarlowRide, A Hazell, M Lloyd, LOTS, S Milton, D Pretty.